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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:09:44 -0400 From: Matthew Gaylor <freematt@coil.com> Subject: Republican Leadership's dot.gov Scam? [Note from Matthew Gaylor: It seems that the US House of Representatives, Republican leadership conference has established http://www.gop.gov/. A misuse of the domain name system which gives the impression of official .gov sanction when the site is really just a politics as usual, partisan site. To be fair the Republicans claim that their site is in Beta and that it is an official site due to their Congressional status. I find much of this idea rather offensive and unfair to Independents and third parties who will not be afforded the opportunity to hide partisanship under a mask of legitimacy. Of special note is the use of a private ISP, Capital Area Internet Service (CAIS-DOM) to host the site. Is this to bypass the congressional system and if so why?] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:10:41 -0700 To: farber@cis.upenn.edu (Dave Farber), freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor), State and Local Freedom of Information Issues <FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> From: Jim Warren <jwarren@well.com> Subject: fwd: www.gop.gov ??!!! I just received this from a friend. >Did you see that the Republican Party has established the domain >www.gop.gov? I'm very surprised that a partisan group could have a .gov >domain. I was also very disturbed by the fact that I couldn't get into >the site without accepting all the cookies that were being set. Looks >like a bad precedent to me on both counts. 1. I wonder if this is really a Republican Party website -- as it's name certainly implies? The InterNIC Finger gives no listing for it. [Note from Matt Gov't sites need to looked up on www.nic.gov] 2. I completely agree with the writer: Who the hell is granting dot-GOV status to a @#$%^ political party?! 3. And if they're going to give ".GOV" status to the Republicrats (and, presumably, the Demopublicans), will they also give it to the Libbies, and the Peace & Freedom ... and the Flat Earth Party, and the 4th Reich, et al?! Maybe this is the first step to making dog-GOV meaningless as a top-level domain. 4. When I attempted to go to it's home-page, I too, found that it tried to set two cookies -- which I refused. Then it promptly died saying, "No Cookie! To access this site your browser must be accepting cookies." 5. Pretty damned arrogant no matter who's running it -- but especially if it really is the Repub Party. (The Party of the People? Apparently not unless the People let the Party set tracking/surveillance cookies ... and gawd knows what else!) --jim, Jim Warren; jwarren@well.com Contributing Editor & technology public-policy columnist, MicroTimes Magazine Also GovAccess list-owner/editor; 345 Swett Rd, Woodside CA 94062 voice/650-851-7075; fax-for-the-quaint/650-851-2814 [self-inflating puff: Hugh Hefner First-Amendment Award, Playboy Foundation; Electronic Frontier Foundation Pioneer Award (in its first year); James Madison Freedom-of-Information Award, Soc.of Prof.Journalists-Nor.Calif founded InfoWorld; the Computers, Freedom & Privacy Conferences; etc etc etc.] And... From: Jim Warren <jwarren@WELL.COM> Subject: Re: fwd: www.gop.gov ??!!! To: FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Ahah! The plot thickens. On the one hand, www.gop.gov -- by its dot-GOV domain-name -- pretends to be an official government site. And from what those who've accepted its cookies say, it *says* it's an official site of an official caucus within the official House of the official Congress. However ... curiously, it appears that -- in spite of it's dot-GOV name -- it's being run as a private operation through a private ISP, and definitely *not* through any official congressional system! See the following, that just came in from a net-geek friend. --jim >A "WHOIS" on gop.gov didn't turn up anything at networksolutions >but I did find that the domain is hosted at Capital Area Internet >Service in McLean... > >Capital Area Internet Service (CAIS-DOM) > 6861 Elm Street, Third Floor > McLean, VA 22101 > US > > Domain Name: CAIS.COM > > Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Network Operations Center (CAIS-NOC) domreg@CAIS.NET > CAIS Internet > 1255 22nd Street > Washington, DC 20037 > US > > (202) 715-1300 -- NOC (703) 448-2091 Fax- - (703) 790-8805 > Billing Contact: > Billing Office (BO-ORG) billing@CAIS.COM > CAIS Internet > 6861 Elm Street, Third Floor > McLean, VA 22101 > US ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per month) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd., PMB 176, Columbus, OH 43229 Archived at http://www.egroups.com/list/fa/ ************************************************************************** ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:17:16 -0400 From: Matthew GaylorSubject: Republican Explanation of GOP.gov From: "Diamond, Richard" <Richard.Diamond@mail.house.gov> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@wired.com>, CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM, fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu, cypherpunks@cyberpass.net, farber@cis.upenn.edu, freematt@coil.com, FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU, Jim Warren <jwarren@well.com> Cc: gnu@toad.com Subject: RE: Republican Leadership's dot.gov Scam? Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:52:44 -0400 Most of the opposition to the domain name gop.gov seems to be based on misunderstandings. First, the web server for GOP.gov is physically located within the offices of the House Republican Conference. The private vendor you see in the WHOIS listing merely handles the DNS hosting (which is all that the WHOIS listing tells you). As someone pointed out already, it wouldn't really make a difference if it were outsourced to a private company. I just want to point out that it isn't. Second, there are only two parties in Congress. The only "independents" (Virgil Goode and Bernie Sanders) caucus with either the Republican and Democrats. So, yes, whether you like it or not "Republican" and "Democrat" are part of the institution that is the U.S. Congress. This top level domain reflects the institution. If the flat earth society can get a majority in Congress, they can have their own .gov -- but not until then -- and that's what the RFC says. Third, although gop.gov currently only hosts information for the majority party in the House of Representatives, it may offer information from the Senate in the future. That's one reason why it does not have "house" in the domain. Another reason is simplicity -- www.gop.gov is easier to remember. If you want to complain about us not using hierarchical domain names, then start your complaint with the administration. After all, "www.irs.gov" should be "www.irs.unitedstatestreasurydepartment.whitehouse.gov" if you follow that line of thought. Richard Diamond Office of the Majority Leader US House of Representatives www.freedom.gov -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Warren <jwarren@WELL.COM> >Subject: Re: fwd: www.gop.gov ??!!! >To: FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > >Ahah! The plot thickens. > >On the one hand, www.gop.gov -- by its dot-GOV domain-name -- pretends to >be an official government site. And from what those who've accepted its >cookies say, it *says* it's an official site of an official caucus within >the official House of the official Congress. [snip] ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per month) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd., PMB 176, Columbus, OH 43229 Archived at http://www.egroups.com/list/fa/ **************************************************************************
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